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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Nov 2, 2010 10:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: VOTE!! VOTE!! VOTE!!

re: please cast your vote for the Lesser Evils -- the downside view of this is... Republicrats!

Ralph Nader said this today, interviewed by Amy Goodman's Democracy Now's news hour

Yes, I mean, right now, I think if the trends bear out, Amy, once again, the Democrats will demonstrate to the American people they cannot defend the country against the most craven Republican Party in history. I mean, I’ve never seen worse Republicans. With every ounce of potential tolerance I have toward the Republicans, I can say that I have never seen crueler, more vicious, more unknowing Republicans in the Congress, with very few exceptions, like Walter Jones from North Carolina.

So, what we see here is complicity. When people say, "Gee, why aren’t the wars an issue?"—well, because the Democrats are complicit in both the Iraq and Afghanistan war. "Why isn’t corporate welfare and subsidies and bailouts of Wall Street crooks an issue?" Well, because the Democrats have done the same thing as the Republicans. Just now, they’re giving away the store to the taxpayers’ share in General Motors in the IPO that’s about to be issued. And they say, "Well, why aren’t the Democrats making a big deal of corporate crime against consumers and workers and issues like minimum wage and card check?" Because the Democrats don’t want to be involved in that. They’re dialing for the same corporate dollars. They say, "Well, why aren’t the Democrats raising these great civil liberty issues, like what’s in the PATRIOT Act?" Well, they just rubber-stamped another renewal over a year ago of the PATRIOT Act.

So, that’s why they can’t draw a bright line between the Democrats and Republicans, as Franklin Delano Roosevelt did in making the people think that the Republicans were the party of Big Business and the Democrats were the party of working people. And that worked a lot for both him and Harry Truman. Imagine what those two gentlemen would have done to today’s Republican Party, instead of the namby-pamby, wishy-washy, so-called phony "bipartisanship" of Obama’s administration and his allies in Congress.

We could never get today the legislation we got in the '60s and early ’70s, even under the Nixon administration—EPA, OSHA, air and water pollution control, consumer protection laws, etc. You can't possibly get them. There’s a simple auto safety bill to strengthen the budgets and law enforcement of the Department of Transportation following the Toyota acceleration problem, and it’s wallowing in the House and in the Senate. There’s a food safety bill that’s thirty years overdue to deal with contaminated food and preventing thousands of deaths and hundreds of thousands of sicknesses in this country, and it passed the House, it’s been buried in the Senate. The Senate is controlled by Democrats, so—and they don’t want to change the filibuster rules, and now that’s going to come back to haunt them. So, I think the Democrats are beyond "Well, let’s put some pressure on them."

They’ve been so corporatized, so monetized, so driven on corporate power closer to the Republican Party, regardless of their rhetoric, that we have to have third party and independent candidates, even ones that are up against all this rigged ballot access obstruction. No other Western country obstructs voters and candidates the way this country does, especially with its state laws.

And that’s why I favor people voting their conscience. As Eugene Debs once said, better to vote for who you believe and lose than vote for who you don’t believe and win. And if we don’t vote our conscience, if we have this tactical, pragmatic approach, I ask those people one question: what’s your breaking point? How bad does the Democratic Party have to be, even though the Republican Party is worse, before you break away and stop being captured and taken for granted the way African Americans have been taken for granted by the Obama administration? That’s the key question everyone has to ask themselves as a voter: what is your breaking point? If you don’t have a breaking point, you don’t have a moral compass.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 2, 2010 1:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: VOTE!! VOTE!! VOTE!!

I'm sorry DHM, but I can't agree. Nader's attitude is nice enough in theory, but the reality of it all is that it caused George W. Those folks who said they couldn't see the diff between Gore and Bush were blind. Think Gore would have gotten us into Iraq? Think Gore would have bagged on supporting the environment? Think business regulation would have all but disappeared? Would Gore have ignored global warming? Would Gore have lowered tax rates for the wealthy? And best of all, would Gore have appointed the Supreme Court justices that we now have for the rest of my foreseeable life? I don't think so, but I'm just an old cranky cuss by now who has seen a whole lot of crap in my time.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 2, 2010 1:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: VOTE!! VOTE!! VOTE!!

I'm crankier; I cannot wait for all these political calls to stop. I think I've spoken to the AZ gov eh Nore a dozen times the past two weeks.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 2, 2010 5:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: VOTE!! VOTE!! VOTE!!

Sorry but you can't have the cranky award, I guarantee you I'm crankier. Thank God it is over, I would have put a brick through the television if I had to see one more of those ads.

So I exercised my right to vote, despite the typical Philadelphia incompetence and suspected corruption. I showed up at my regular polling place at 7 a.m. to find none of the machines working and no indication of when they would be working ("We've called headquarters and they're sending someone"). They were willing to give us provisional ballots (and we all know how well THAT works), but we when we started to fill them out, we were told we couldn't use our own pencils, we had to use THEIR pencils. Okay fine we'll use your pencils. Oh, well, we don't HAVE any pencils. They were apparently waiting for pencils from headquarters.

Was this really 2010, was I trying to vote in the Jim Crow South perhaps? Nope Philadelphia 2010.

You'll all be proud of me, when I got to work I called the Committee of Seventy and the county board of elections and my party committee person for our district (the first two of whom recorded and handled my complaint admirably, and the third of whom was not particularly happy to speak with me).

And yes, I did go back after work and vote (they seemed to have figured out whatever was wrong with the machines). But what about people who weren't able to come back later? Possibly some funny business there, or possibly just typical Philly idiocy. Take your pick, democracy's great.